I mean, it's slicker than previous stuff, but I don't think it's heavy-handed or anything. It was still produced mainly by Mike Mogis, wasn't it? It wasn't like they flew in Butch Vig or something.

I really like 'If the Brakeman Turns My Way' too, and there are a couple of others that have really grown on me. I think it's just one of those albums that takes a while.